Has anyone ever heard or seen God?

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is my very first article I have ever written. I would appreciate feedback whether it is good or bad. I really thank you for reading it. May our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ richly bless you.

Jesus Christ had this to say in John 5:37 : And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. So, Jesus admits that they have never seen God or heard His voice at any time? Is this really what Jesus is saying? Or is Jesus only telling the people He is talking to that they have never heard His voice or seen His shape? According to John 1:18: No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John states very clearly that no man has ever seen God at anytime either. This would perhaps rule out the theory that Jesus was only talking to the people He was addressing in John 5:37. Also, in 1 John 4:12 it states : No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. It is quite clear from all of these scriptures that no man has seen God at any time. If no man has seen God at any time then would this make it possible that no one has actually ever heard God’s real voice either? The most famous case in The Bible for a man speaking face to face with God is Moses. Moses spoke with God face to face on Mount Sinai at the burning bush? A man who received The Ten Commandments written with the finger of God Himself? A man who led the Israelites out of Egypt’s bondage, but with God as a pillar of fire and a pillar of cloud leading all of them? Is this what really happened? Was Jesus Christ mistaken? Along with John? Keep in mind what 2 Timothy 3:16 states : All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Now, let’s look at the evidence. We will first start with the book of Acts, and see what it has to say on this matter. First, we will talk about the burning bush. according to Acts 7:30 it states : And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sinai an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. So, according to the book of Acts it was an angel of The Lord who appeared to him in the burning bush, and it was not actually God Himself. In Exodus 3:2 it is written : And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. The book of Acts corroborates the events that took place in the book of Exodus. Namely that it was in fact an angel that was in the burning bush. Now on to point number two which is that Moses received The Ten Commandments from God Himself written with God’s own finger. This is according to Exodus 31:18 which reads : And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Let’s continue with the book of Acts, and see what it states about this event. In Acts 7:38 it states : This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us. So, if Moses was speaking to an angel and that angel was relaying the ten commandments. Would it be possible then that the angel was also writing the ten commandments? The book of Acts continues and it states in Acts 7:53 : Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. Stephen believes that the law was given to Moses by the disposition of angels. The third point, who was the pillar of fire leading by night and who was the cloudy pillar that was leading the Israelites by day? Exodus 33:2 states : I will send an angel before you and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. In Exodus 33:10 it states : And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door. in Exodus 14:19 it states : And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them. It seems that both the pillar of fire and the pillar of cloud are angels working in tandem. During the day, the pillar of fire was at the very front and the pillar of cloud was directly behind the pillar of fire. During the night the roles of the two angels were reversed. Looking at the evidence it would seem that it was angels who were leading the way for the Israelites. Looking at the evidence presented it would seem that Jesus Christ was speaking the truth. But, I would prefer that you draw your own conclusion.




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2 thoughts on “Has anyone ever heard or seen God?

  1. Not a bad argument, although I do disagree with your final conclusion.

    I think a lot of confusion stems from the nature of God.
    The Trinitarian model says that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all fully God. If I say “God died for my sins” or “God sent Jesus” neither is incorrect, but the word “God” does not mean quite the same thing in each instance. You would know from Biblical study that I mean specifically “Jesus died for my sins” and “The Father sent Jesus”.

    So when John says that no one has seen God, we need to look at some context before making an assumption that this usage of “God” refers to the entire Trinity. Clearly people had seen Jesus. In fact, the rest of John 1:18 says that while no one had “seen God” Jesus, who was God, revealed God to us.

    This, in conjunction with Jesus’ words in John 5:37 make me assume that the best way to interpret “God” is as God in Heaven, or what we’d call the Father.

    I agree that no one has seen God the Father, and that it is Jesus who was sent by the Father to reveal God to us on Earth.

    This is where my interpretation of the “Angel of the Lord” also differs from yours.

    The word “angel” in its strictest sense means “messenger”, rather than a specific race of supernatural beings. And the being(s) referred to as “The Angel of the Lord” have often been interpreted as being appearances of God himself (though not always).

    The most logically consistent model I can see is that no one has seen the Father, but has seen Jesus (and I suppose the Shekinah, which may be the Holy Spirit), and that in most instances The Angel of the Lord is the one sent by God the Father, which is also how Jesus describes himself (John 20:21). This is in keeping with John’s description of Jesus as “The Word” (AKA “Logos”) of God. The being who can mediate between God and His own creation.

    This also explains why The Angel of the Lord will often refer to itself as God or claim rights only God has. In most instances The Angel of the Lord is God the Son before his physical birth as Jesus.

    I’d be interested to hear your thoughts. I realize that the position you’re taking is one of the main interpretations on who The Angel of the Lord really is, so I’m open to the possibility of being incorrect.

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    • First, and foremost I want to say our theology may differ to certain degrees, but I hope we agree that it is our relationship with Jesus Christ that matters most in the end. Having said that, you stated: You would know from Biblical study that I mean specifically “Jesus died for my sins” and “The Father sent Jesus”. But in Zechariah 12:10 it states: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Keep in mind Yahweh was speaking here? Remember, according to John 4:24 it says: God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” How can Yahweh be pierced especially if He is a spirit? I do agree that God sent Jesus of course. This is why I do not believe the trinity because Yahweh is saying that He is going to be pierced that would actually make Christ Yahweh – not just another person in the “trinity” (this is not the only reason I don’t believe in the trinity). Actually I think we agree on what the angel of The Lord is and does, and who he represents. Except on this when you said: “The Angel of the Lord” have often been interpreted as being appearances of God himself (though not always). I believe 100% its always been angels/messengers and never God Himself.I agree 100% with you on this, you wrote:The Angel of the Lord is the one sent by God the Father, which is also how Jesus describes himself (John 20:21). You wrote: This also explains why The Angel of the Lord will often refer to itself as God or claim rights only God has”. No angel has ever called himself God actually only one “angel” has called himself “God” and that angel is lucifer. The Angel of the Lord calling Himself God is not correct – When God in heaven is speaking to Moses or Abraham etc. God’s voice is being channeled through the angel, its not as if Moses or Abraham were hearing a voice in the sky and the angel was just standing there. Here is proof Exodus 3:4 – And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. The voice came from within the bush not outside of it. Picture it like this: God is holding the microphone and the angel is the speaker that the voice is coming out of. Try this yourself – take a wireless microphone turn it on and make sure it is connected to a speaker and then leave the room that the speaker is in and talk – while you are not in the room your voice can be heard filtered through the speaker – in the same manner when you say I am God – You are saying that and not the speaker – therefore the angel is not God its the voice that is speaking that is God – as you said angels are messengers and I agree 100% with that. Thank you for being kind brother. May Christ bless you.

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